How To Stop Doubting Yourself And Write More Music with Rosie Bans

00:00.00

eyvindur

Hello and welcome Rosie I forgot to ask you how to pronounce your name when you asked me how to pronounce mine your last name... Bans. Rosie Bans welcome welcome I'm not editing that out.

00:10.46

ROSIE

Bans. Yeah, Bans.

00:15.93

eyvindur

Welcome to the strongwriting podcast. Thank you so much for being here. Yes, so ah, tell us a little bit about yourself where you come from your journey in songwriting and life in general tell me everything.

00:18.30

ROSIE

So but thank you, Thank you so much for having me. So.

00:29.78

ROSIE

Um, life alive. Well I am from Scotland from Glasgow as you noticed on your own which is always lovely because quite often I get told I'm irish.

00:43.89

eyvindur

I Know you.

00:44.56

ROSIE

And I'm actually in scottish I feel really bad when I tell people I'm not irish they look disappointed but being scottish is great and so yes I am a singer-songwriter a music producer a musician and I have been doing the music thing for almost thirteen years now I've been at it for a while.

01:02.81

eyvindur

Well since you were 5 what how does that work really all right? Oh happy birthday.

01:03.91

ROSIE

I also recently just since I was 5 I just turned to 34 like like two weeks ago yeah it was my birthday. It was my birthday Thank you Thank you? And so yes, a music has been. Absolutely the central focus of my entire life and I am so lucky to be able but say that I am sort aware that that's not normal. That's not always the way people come at it and whatever chaos that the universe created when I popped out I have to get that lucky hand. So. Yeah, music's always been part of my life and at the moment I'm spending a lot of time doing podcasts I have my own and also helping songwriters get to a space in their life where music can be their priority and can be what drives their their day-to-day life too.

01:55.52

eyvindur

Awesome! That's that's what it's all about and I I I I know a little bit of scottish I can say 1 line in Scottish dars Bena Marar there you go.

02:05.85

ROSIE

Okay, um I love it. That's the that's that's the that's just high culture. There are you just blew me away. Ah.

02:14.60

eyvindur

Yeah, there you go. So ah I want to talk to you about ah self-doubt and and consistency and and and things of that nature because I absolutely I think which is said about working on you know. Making music the focus are for your life is is just such an important thing and and the more people can do that but I always say I like to help people get more songs into the world because music makes the world a better place and we can make the world together. We can do that we can make the world a better place 1 song at a time but um, there.

02:40.72

ROSIE

Get.

02:50.75

eyvindur

There is a ah question like ah, an example question that I saw on your on your profile which is why is feminism important in music and songwriting and tell me that I want to hear the answer to that question.

03:05.82

ROSIE

I'm just going to point out that you want a woman to tell you sorry I'm not gonna starfate I'm not starting to fight. No I So I'm glad you asked I Good by the way I'm ripping the Pe and I as it's okay so I suppose.

03:10.23

eyvindur

Well no, no, no, no yeah I.

03:20.94

ROSIE

Firstly, we've got to break that Down. We've got to look at what does feminism mean to you and what does it mean to your listeners Whoever is listening out there. What does feminism mean and I think for many people the words can actually be quite a trigger. So if we take away the words and it's just a placeholder for me for want of a better word. But for me. It means that people have a level plain field that they own it means that no matter what your background does what color your skin is what age you are if you have a disability or not that you can access the things that we. We can access and the and the more mainstream patriarchal side of society right? and they're just what you said which was beautiful about more songs makes a better world I Fully agree and I would like to add that that more songs from.

04:05.90

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

04:13.60

eyvindur

Yes.

04:13.74

ROSIE

Different perspectives from different people walking different paths makes it much richer too. So that's what faineism it means to me and for the music industry and the Uk anyway and fortunately like so many of these structures like so many of these industries that really do thrive on exploitation as exploiting. Ah ah grips that are are oppressed right? And so. And the Uk I mean there's this huge huge movement right now for feminism and for equality and for gender equality and gender understanding. So I think just in the music industry alone though it does mean allowing those people whose voices have been silenced over over the decades.

04:46.66

eyvindur

Yeah.

05:00.95

ROSIE

Over the centuries to have a platform that feels safe for them to be able to actually see I have something to see and I think it's worth it's worth heing so yeah that's I think that's what I mean I think that's what I mean today about feminism because I also call myself a feminist in training.

05:14.63

eyvindur

Yeah.

05:20.34

ROSIE

Like I know there's so much more for me to do and I know that I'm definitely in some manner oppressing someone somewhere else by being blind to something and I'm constantly trying to have these kind of conversations and open up that dialogue to. Understand more myself as well. But right now in my life and career and my activism.. That's that's what it means to me.

05:45.35

eyvindur

I Love that and I that's I I Love that that point where ah what you said about you know we're We're not aware of our privilege and usually I mean I'm very aware of mine I'm I'm I. I Don't know if I could be more privileged but anyway, but you know it's so easy to forget that there are people with different experiences who we don't know we don't know what they're going through I I freely admit that I'm ignorant to a lot of things. For instance with with Trans people that's not I That's like far removed from my experience and I think what you just said just being open and listening is is such an important thing that was sort of an aside but but but I want to say ah.

06:33.91

ROSIE

Yeah, absolutely sort of an aside. But.

06:40.82

eyvindur

If people are triggered by the word Feminism I Think that's just approaching things from the wrong and if're if the word is what ah bothers you then you might want to think about it a little bit more because you know it's It's to me. It's the same as when when people responded to black lives Matter. By saying all lives Matter. It's not the words. That's not the point. It's the meaning behind them and that to me is you know Feminism I think the ah the literal definition or you know the official definition works perfectly. Well there is equality has not between the genders has not been reached. And therefore it's It's feminism because usually it's ah women who need to fight anyway. Um I Love that. But ah, we wanted to talk about.

07:26.97

ROSIE

Absolutely yeah yeah.

07:36.43

eyvindur

Self-doubt and and we both got into it a little bit there saying you know we we're probably ah, not aware of certain things around us. Ah so why? where does this self. Ah we I think we all do it. We all beat ourselves down. We all ah doubt ourselves. Why do we do it.

07:52.28

ROSIE

Why do we do it massive question right? and I'll take it from my perspective and and my experience and what I believe and I think Feminism has a big part to play in this I think the the flip side of Feminism I E The the patriarchy the. Capitalist system that we have to live in.. There's no getting away from it. We live in the waste and self-doubt I think there's there's so much messaging that comes at you subliminally and obviously too at times we're so used to it and this idea of.

08:14.52

eyvindur

Yeah.

08:20.67

eyvindur

Yeah.

08:30.85

ROSIE

Not being enough of not being good enough which I mean we even have a concept called Perfectionism right? That is the biggest myth that we've all been fed and if you believe in Perfectionism as ah as an idea then essentially that means that.

08:34.92

eyvindur

A.

08:49.85

ROSIE

You're You're always going to be striving to be more than you ever can be and for the creative and and a songri in capacity I feel like this this striving towards Perfectionism and Perfectionism is this I've got this image in my head of a big gnarly Graveyard. Where all your creative dreams. Go you die and when you get to that. You're never going to get to that graveyard and which is a good thing actually but if Perfectionism was a place in my head instead of what it was when I was younger which was this rich and successful and.

09:09.58

eyvindur

Yes.

09:26.56

ROSIE

Gorgeous and you know my bibs are 5 times the size then they really are and all of a sudden. My wonky eye is not wonky and you know that's perfectionism. But now I have this image in my head of it being this desolate dead creatively barren graveyard and. That shift took um a really long time for me to make and is for me I'm a very visual person. It has to be a image and so for your listeners as well for thinking about self-doubt when you put it in that context of being fed a lie.

09:59.39

eyvindur

Yeah.

10:00.96

ROSIE

Your entire life from the moment you're born I mean people even do this to children. They even put it and you know they do it to kids having the perfect child. How should your child behave you know and it's no one's fault I'm not blaming a patient here in any way shape or form. It's just a really billion billions and billions of pounds. Billions of dollars are being pumped into that system to make you feel like you're not good enough because when you feel like that when you're not self-actualized you're quiet. You don't kick up a fuss you get on with your work you're a va you're a good you know you're a good work work kid. What do you call it like oh um.

10:23.80

eyvindur

Yeah.

10:32.36

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

10:39.73

ROSIE

And the workhouses like Victorian England you know like Victorian yeah Uk where all that came from and so I think that's where self-doubt starts creeping in and so I like to equip people with the the or invite them. To consider an alternative which is a lot of these narratives that you have in your head about not being good enough and therefore doubting whether you can do x y z the lot of them don't come from you initially they come from all of this message in and enough I don't want to set in Philly state society's fault. You know can I swear out on this podcast by the way.

11:11.26

eyvindur

The sure I'll yeah why not.

11:14.90

ROSIE

Almost worth there. but but I wouldn't is' fine I won't unleash the glass we gin quite yet. but but yeah it's that that idea of saying okay well there is a lot of this that isn't mines and I can unpack so I can take out the backpack. But there is a lot of stuff then you can do and you can change and you can take some action and you do have a lot more power than you've been led to believe a lot of the time. So I think that's for me anyway in my life I identified that a lot of this stuff as it means. And I want to spend as much time as I can shading those layers that have been put on me that weight that heaviness that says that I'm I'm never going to be perfect therefore I'm never going to be worth it if and I'm never going to have that value I'm never going to be good enough and instead I like to hold 2 fingers up to it.

11:53.84

eyvindur

Yeah.

12:06.84

ROSIE

And say ah I'm I'm beautifully flawed this is perfection. You know and there's so much beauty and everything that we're doing all the time regardless of music or songw right in and over here talk about songs. But there's beauty and everything in this world. Um, but yeah, there's a lot of money and there's a lot of people that.

12:16.35

eyvindur

It sure.

12:26.40

ROSIE

Make a lot make a lot of money from you believe in otherwise and that's it's It's a real.. It's sometimes I forget that it's real life and I think oh that was a horrible dystopian thought that I had and I think oh no wait. That's real life. So but yes. And music though I don't want to seem dim and gloom and like this is this is how it's going to be forever because I do think there's There's so many cracks in it. There's so many cracks in that wall and that's where your art can live and and when you grow your art in a crack. The crack gets bigger and bigger and almost becomes this huge gaping hole.

12:50.31

eyvindur

Yeah.

13:01.43

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

13:03.15

ROSIE

Now your art can live inside and then you can see other people come through the hole in the wall that I've just made you know and so so there is a positive side to oh.

13:11.96

eyvindur

Yeah, you know that great Leonard Cohen quote there was a crack in everything and that's where the light gets in that's that's beautiful and and you know and and to your point it's it's even worse now with social media.

13:19.24

ROSIE

Exactly yeah.

13:31.85

eyvindur

You get all of these influencers everywhere with this this perfect image and you you constantly, you're supposed to be comparing yourself to all these people who are showing us a very small side of themselves and it's just ah. You know it feels feels awful and you it's so easy to feel inadequate and just to tell you a little story for me. Um, it got so bad you know perfectionism I I was I was so bad I I was writing all this music I had so much stuff I write very fast. So I had this massive catalog of songs and ah it took me 10 years to put a solo album together because because it was always no, no no it needs to be perfect I need to do it I need to like probably and then eventually it's certainly not perfect. It's very far from perfect but I was I finally just got it together to say okay, this is you know I'm wasting my life on this on this self-doubt crap and I need to just just ah, get it out there. You know and so ah, what? I.

14:33.49

ROSIE

This is.

14:40.52

ROSIE

Get out. Yep and so.

14:46.61

eyvindur

You know I know some of what I did and what I do now I have my own methods of of dealing with this stuff. But what? what do you recommend? I Mean how how do you deal with that for people out there who are stuck in this this loop of doubt and perfectionism.

15:01.95

ROSIE

Um I think firstly you need to accept it that that's what's going on right now for you and this moment and feel the resistance against it because it's a horrible feeling isn't it. It's horrible like stuck in and that space.

15:04.80

eyvindur

How do you get out of it.

15:17.35

eyvindur

It's absolutely.

15:19.85

ROSIE

Think the first thing is to actually see oh I'm really struggling with with my self-confidence and my self-doubt and I appreciate in that it's there and then I went to therapy I got loads of therapy I got 5 years of therapy. My therapist had to basically throw me out and say. Ah, think you're going to need stay to pay stop therapy. So I thankfully managed to leave but that there exactly right and that really helped me no and that's not why I was there I was there for totally different reasons. But as as you do you go on that journey so I would say if if you're really struggling.

15:41.49

eyvindur

Because Therapy rehab.

15:51.71

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

15:57.62

ROSIE

To the point where you're feeling like it's becoming intrusive into your life and your relationships your job your happiness going and and talking to a professional if you can if you can find an affordable means to do that. There's these websites and things now too. You can go and find someone online. But other than that other ways that really massively work for me as community. It's finding other folk like podcasts like this I mean you can think of community as the people around you and Pearson of course. But also you can consider the community like the people you follow online.

16:27.53

eyvindur

Yeah.

16:34.97

ROSIE

Like you you talked about influencers and things there you know like you can curate that for yourself less than in a podcast like this and once you get an a community with other musicianss and other people who are on a very similar path to you and you actually open up and take that that's the first.

16:35.80

eyvindur

Um, yeah, yeah.

16:54.50

ROSIE

So really hard but very brave step is to open up say someone? Um I'm struggling with this. It becomes a pattern really quickly that the majority of people do at some point at least some point in their life. So I would say yeah to get out of that I would I would agree.

17:04.23

eyvindur

Yeah.

17:13.92

ROSIE

Reframe that and in your mind if you're struggling with that right now and consider accepting it first consider saying okay I'm alive today the time is going to pass so I'm going to sit here and just try and feel my feelings and and what's. That's such a cliche and I put it on a t-shirt you know, but and I'm saying it like it's easy and I'm so aware how how difficult that is how difficult it can be. But if you can get to just over that first hard door of say no this is how I'm feeling. Maybe you don't know why and that's okay, but as long as you initially accept.

17:32.94

eyvindur

Ah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

17:51.71

ROSIE

Okay, this is where I'm at because I think so much of our time is spent like pushing away feeling and we take up so much energy to do so when you do kind of let it set and it feels horrible bone and uncomfortable and you have a cry or you punch a pillow or you scream or whatever it is. You need to do.

17:56.28

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

18:10.33

ROSIE

There is a release in that moment there is there is ah that's when the doors that's when the fog kind of dissipates and the doors are now a little bit more obvious to you but it is every individual's own journey for sure we share more than we than we have apart. We have more in common than we have apart.

18:10.64

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

18:23.10

eyvindur

Yeah.

18:29.44

ROSIE

But the same time. No one else can walk your path for you? Only you can do that. It's kind of like I kind of think of it as a really like cosed irony of like is so such a wonderful thing right being hared and getting to do music and all that stuff and you grew up as a kid and like. All this stuff gets given to you when you're young, you don't ask for it and maybe it causes some pain when you're an adult but but someone else kid I've given you that but then you're the only one you're the only one that can change it and there's something deeply ironic. But.

18:47.21

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

18:55.96

eyvindur

Yeah.

19:03.90

ROSIE

There's like um Robert Anton Wilson author and philosopher and talks about like ayahuasca and all that all that kind of stuff but he calls it the cosmic giggle as if the universe the universe is always laughing at you. You're taking something really seriously and you're really struggling and there's this kind of idea that the universe is just.

19:13.59

eyvindur

Cosmic Giggle yeah.

19:22.40

ROSIE

Pat you on the head like a child's been like oh they are there. You know, silly little human thing and I'm not minimizing. Anyone's experience by seeing that it's just that irony of yeah you you have to walk that yourself. But.

19:23.80

eyvindur

Yeah, they're there.

19:29.88

eyvindur

Not out.

19:37.66

ROSIE

But you can do it with friends and you can do it with communities. So I suppose those are the 3 things I would see is accepting it asking for professional help if you feel like that's that's what you're needing and not feeling ashamed about that in any way and then.

19:46.83

eyvindur

Yeah.

19:53.71

ROSIE

Find in a community of like minded people that you can open up to and doesn't need to be. You know you don't need to pour your heart out to stranger on the internet I don't really suggest you do that. But finding people that you can you know? ah apart from Podcasters We signed up for it right? But um it yeah.

20:01.74

eyvindur

Um, oh oops. Ah, yeah, yeah I I've ah struggled with anxiety and depression most of my life and I've done my fair share of therapy and I went through kind of like a burnout situation and my my therapist.

20:14.90

ROSIE

M.

20:23.80

eyvindur

Ah, you know going back to your point about running away from your emotions instead of just sitting there and feeling them one of the things that I was that cost me the most anxiety was when I felt an anxiety attack coming on it would like go from a mild anxiety attack to a Full-b Blown panic attack because I got so worried.

20:27.86

ROSIE

1 of the things that i.

20:43.47

eyvindur

And I wanted to run away from that feeling and and he was like but but why just what just you should just feel it because if you're avoiding it then it's like a phobia. It's like you know if you if you're afraid of a dog and you cross the street every time you see a dog then you'll never get over your phobia. But if you just you know.

20:46.30

ROSIE

Yep, it's like.

21:02.25

eyvindur

Desensitize yourself to it and and get used to being around dogs and you're be fine. So just get used to feeling those feelings and then they won't be as bad because you will get those. We all get negative feel. We we get sad we get anxious. We get all these things and if we try to run away from them then they get worse.

21:19.18

ROSIE

I run away from those was and the assignment.

21:21.53

eyvindur

And he's set me an assignment. He's at the next time you feel an anxiety attack like a panic attack coming on. Try making it the worst one you've ever had because no one's ever died of a panic attack. That's not possible. So just ah, make that an experiment try to get the worst panic attack you've ever had that was.

21:27.55

ROSIE

The worst one ever. No one's ever died.

21:41.37

eyvindur

Three years ago and I haven't had a panic attack since because I tried it and it was like ah it was like a magic trick like oh I feel 1 coming on I'm gonna try it now and whoop it went away. It was.

21:41.86

ROSIE

Wow, Wow us. Like um, that's sad because you're you're finally actually really focusing on it instead of pushing it away and pushing it away like you're Seeing. Absolutely.

21:57.99

eyvindur

Yeah, it was just literally sitting and and and and like thinking how is this? Actually what's the physical sensation. What's happening in my brain right now and you know focusing on it. It's it's like the boogie man you know, ah under your bed when you look under the bed. He's gone here.

22:05.30

ROSIE

Um. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it I mean it's It's so difficult to do isn't it. But when you can't when you do get to that stage of of really being able to face those things and when you can do it. You do feel.

22:18.59

eyvindur

Over.

22:29.33

ROSIE

You do feel the pepper that you have for sure that there's a lot of there's a lot of things that you can do that can help and I know for some for some people. It's more clinical when they need they need help and they go down the medication route and that's absolutely great and fine If that's what you need.

22:37.00

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

22:46.98

eyvindur

Yeah.

22:48.87

ROSIE

Think for a lot of people too myself included I've also suffered from anxiety and depression most of my life as well and my therapist I think um I don't work well with intensity though. Although I'm pretty intense person at times. But um. So that wouldn't quite work for me. But instead I do the surrender thing when I have panic attack and I I actually I now see it as my body has the superpower to protect me and to alert me that something's a bit too much or to alert me, you know it's like my little red worn signal.

23:07.10

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

23:14.84

eyvindur

Yeah.

23:22.96

ROSIE

Oh you're almost going to go over the edge and and there's something about that that I've grown to kind of love in a way that oh my body does this thing you know my mind is constantly looking after me that I'm never really alone I'm never really you know I'm not Goingnna I'm not gonna do those things that pushed me too far because I know my mind is just going to kick in.

23:33.55

eyvindur

The it.

23:42.41

ROSIE

And and my panic attacks have been a lot less although I could say I've not has 1 in the last three years but but there're always feel blown. Yeah, like stop you in your tracks. Yeah.

23:49.20

eyvindur

I've had anxiety attacks I have hanging had anxiety attacks but no full blown pandic attacks like you know, like being immobile sitting and just and hyperventilating for no apparent reason that has not happened in in in a few years

24:02.34

ROSIE

Yes, yeah, that's good man I'm very happy here. It's exhausting is where went tax. It's exhausted or burning calories. It's not a good way. Think about it.

24:08.64

eyvindur

Ah, yeah, it is what's what? yeah I I I don't know what it is and well you know and I'm fascinated by this I've given talks on on like creativity and mental health. But there's something that and and I think it's.

24:21.85

ROSIE

If something.

24:27.16

eyvindur

Like part of our like you said it's like a superpower I have a feeling because I don't think I know any creative person who doesn't struggle with some form of depression depression anxiety or you know in in some cases like ah more serious issues like bipolar disorder or or. Something like that and so maybe creativity is a form of madness who knows.

24:47.50

ROSIE

Yep.

24:51.22

ROSIE

Ah, what comes first? Ah what one what 1 comes first the madness or the creativity. Let's ah I also think though that creative people tend to be what we talk a lot about.

24:55.96

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah, the chicken and the egg.

25:06.57

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

25:06.62

ROSIE

About our experiences right? because we're essentially documenting our experience of the world and I like to I used to consider it as like you know harryie potter and you've got the muggles who aren't musicians and aren't great you when I was younger because I was Corky and I thought I knew everything i.

25:16.50

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

25:24.47

ROSIE

I thought oh they are muggles those people who don't do music and then they always that I have got the more I realize on a way we are the normal ones we are. We are the like we are the not saying the wizards aren't normal wizards are great, but the VR m

25:32.54

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the muggles. Yeah.

25:40.89

ROSIE

Like I think we are the majority and I actually think the people who are you know the the kind of I don't want to see something that's going to super profa to anyone because this is all just my my opinion that no one asked for. But I think the folk who push a awake creativity and who consider it. It's a waste of time. I Think they are the ones that are that don't see the magic. You know they're the ones that that they don't see it and it's all available to every human being I think just creative people have opened up to it and have decided to to welcome it and either life in a big Way. So My my thinking's changed on that one now.

26:03.11

eyvindur

Yeah.

26:16.57

eyvindur

Yeah, although I mean to be fair I think we're all creative I mean it's like that's what makes us human is the ability to create things in our head like that to me if I was to define you know? Yeah, you can say thumbs or you can say.

26:19.49

ROSIE

Yeah.

26:23.88

ROSIE

Exactly exactly? um.

26:36.70

eyvindur

Language or civilization. Whatever but I think the 1 defining human thing that makes us different from other animals is that we can imagine things that have never existed and make them a reality and that to me.

26:51.50

ROSIE

Yep, Absolutely cool in it. It's so cool Yay and we're relatively unique in that I think.

26:56.20

eyvindur

Is magic. Yeah.

27:03.16

ROSIE

There is some study or or something I read about with ravens in rooks like crows and how they they put like an obstacle course in front of them to get some food and.

27:08.81

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

27:17.30

ROSIE

The crow fashions their own little instruments and you know took a step and kind of like banged it off a thing and anyway it just went to prove that perhaps there are other animals in the animal Kingdom that do have this like critical thinking and can imagine you know like ah, a logistical way through. But I mean.

27:31.75

eyvindur

Right? I mean that's problem solving.

27:36.76

ROSIE

that's that's 1 thing but problem solving. Yeah, but having to haven't you used creativity to problem solve haven't you see? well if I turned that around and I actually pushed on the top then that will put you know that kind of stuff but um.

27:48.28

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah, but that's problem solving it but we humans we tell stories like we make up stories and that's actually ah like a defense mechanism from at least that's the theory that I've read is that.

28:04.26

ROSIE

M.

28:07.13

eyvindur

Ah, you know like back when we were in like Cavemen we'd make up stories about dangerous things so that we could learn from experience without actually experiencing them So we'd learn about the dangers of the world without dying in the process. Ah.

28:16.57

ROSIE

Periods about actions. Yeah learning about things. Yeah, yeah, so.

28:25.41

eyvindur

And so so stories are like an evolutionary thing and our imagination is an evolutionary thing that um, you know enables us to create these worlds. We can create entire universes in our heads and people do.

28:38.70

ROSIE

Um, yeah, yeah, all the time. Yeah, absolutely.

28:43.56

eyvindur

Every day and it's amazing. You know and not just to solve a problem but to enjoy ourselves and to entertain others and make other people happy and that's that's wonderful.

28:51.36

ROSIE

Yeah, and that ultimate question you know our own existence. Why? Why are we here or you know what's what's out there and yeah, all of that. That's that's that's awesome and the actual true meaning of the words right? Awesome And yeah human beings are incredibly.

28:57.82

eyvindur

Yeah. Um, yeah.

29:09.98

ROSIE

Incredible I Think we're amazing. We can do a lot of mad stuff. But um, yeah down with the creativity. It's like Wow you can you've got so much going on in seagi and if that self-doubt is holding you back a little bit from it. It's It's like a dam though right? The pressure is building.

29:10.23

eyvindur

Ah, yeah.

29:26.76

ROSIE

And whenever you're ready be creative and let it all out. Wow It's just this this beautiful.

29:30.60

eyvindur

Yeah, absolutely Um, what are some of the you know we we have we get these blocks right? and um and I think there are there are probably some blockages that are more common than others. And can you can you talk a little bit about that like the things that block us creatively and and how we can get around them.

29:54.55

ROSIE

Absolutely yeah I think first and foremost something that's not talked about often is your just your general. Well-being as well. Um to to be well faded to have enough water and to be so to sleep and to understand that.

30:03.17

eyvindur

Yeah.

30:13.28

ROSIE

If you're really creatively blocked that your creativity and your mind your your creative artist inside is also attached to your physicality and to your sense of itbeing and I know in and the times where I've suffered any kind of debt or block.

30:22.75

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:33.18

ROSIE

Where maybe my mental health has been quite low. My physical health is also kind of followed suit. So the first thing I like to do is if I ever feel any of that coming on is is move really deeply into a space of um of like self-exporation and seeing what going on why am I not eating well why am I why am I just.

30:49.82

eyvindur

Yeah.

30:53.17

ROSIE

Why am I drinking too much you know and we all go through these phases. So I'd say that's kind of 1 of the first places to look is is your actual kind of fundamental physicality like are you going out have you been in nature anytime recently or are you stuck in the house or is is it really stressful work is you have you got a lot of pressure on you right now and.

31:04.60

eyvindur

Yeah.

31:11.60

eyvindur

Is there a worldwide pandemic.

31:12.22

ROSIE

The answer to those things is that a pan day exactly absolutely is there. You know, quite literally. Um, just just things going on fire I too depends on where you are so so I say that's the first place to look. And look at is there a way you can either remove yourself from situations or is there a way you can somehow again share it with a loved one and have been really neglecting. My health recently can we make a deal with each other to you know, have like whatever it is for you. You know, go out running together or. To just check in with each other whatever that is or join a challenge online. There's a lot of that kind of stuff so that's always the first place I look at for sure I say okay well, what's actually going on on the fundamental side and then when I'm and when I talk into other people too about blocks and.

31:52.18

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

32:06.95

ROSIE

I Think the language is interesting in the language is important because when we tell ourselves something we tend to believe it. So if we say I am blocked then you might actually be creating more of a barrier between your and your creativity than than needed to be and so instead I like to consider our life in and these phases.

32:11.43

eyvindur

Yeah.

32:25.93

ROSIE

So a block assumes that there's a free flow constantly and for me creativity isn't like that for me creativity is more like a cycle like an ecosystem like the winter or the summer or the spring and the autumn and sometimes my tree is bare and I don't have any fruit and sometimes the sun is shining you know and.

32:27.62

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

32:45.17

ROSIE

So I'd say the next thing is to look at where in the season are you of your life of of your year of your month. You know, whatever that is and appreciate that sometimes you're not going to create as much as you want and sometimes that you will Amanda Palmore had this and I don't know where she said it.

32:48.29

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

33:03.63

ROSIE

Can't remember and I think she was referencing someone else but she spoke about having inhale years and exhale years. So yeah, right, it's beautiful. Isn't it and I knowre when I'm Aine my top ladies. Um, and.

33:09.35

eyvindur

Oh wow I love that yeah I love Amanda Palmer was amazing. Yeah.

33:21.99

ROSIE

The inhale years being you know where you're not creating too much but you're you're growing somehow else. There's there's you know it's your reading or you're just thinking a lot. It's okay and going back to your ancestors in the cave. They probably just sat about loads just thinking about stuff like.

33:23.86

eyvindur

Right? yeah.

33:37.74

eyvindur

Yeah, watching listening.

33:40.35

ROSIE

Making a thing here there you know? yeah, just imagining and probably having a lot X to get past the day but still I mean like and then and then the Exhale years like when you go into it or you you write the album. You know you get it done and you've got promoter. Oh and all that stuff. So.

33:46.20

eyvindur

Probably that's not a bad thing.

33:55.11

eyvindur

Yeah.

34:00.32

ROSIE

Just can consider where you are and try to rethink your creativity less like a straightline less like a constant flow like the River is running wild and instead sometimes it's just a small treco you know and there's not much to fill up your cup with so maybe look elsewhere again coming back to. What else in your life Can you fill up and and feel healthy and feel strong and just feel happy about It. There's another great analogy again I have no way I need to write down my horses. This is really bad but I didn't make this up and it was like your life is like a gas cooker and you've got 4 hobs. And each Hob represents some kind of like slice of your life your family your work your creativity your friendships and but you don't have enough gas in and the tank to have all hobs on all the time at Fuel Blast and so it's almost like you're balance in the pots. You know you're at.

34:54.26

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

34:57.28

ROSIE

Okay, what can I turn down what can I turn up? um and see in your life like that because when I think about it like that I've got the parrot again. It's not been given away like I should be writing all the time or I should never feel this block and instead if I'm feeling blocked. It's like maybe that hope is just low. So I'm gonna just.

35:09.19

eyvindur

Yeah.

35:15.24

ROSIE

Pour my energy either into something else or back into myself and so that would be the the first place I go for sure because I don't know if if blood if if writers block and then of itself is a thing does that make sense like you know? yeah.

35:17.57

eyvindur

Yeah.

35:31.35

eyvindur

Um I don't believe in it I don't think it's a thing.

35:35.30

ROSIE

And exactly so I I try and watch my language around it but particularly if I'm talking to myself because I'm going to believe myself in. So yeah, there's that and then on the other side of it.

35:41.17

eyvindur

Um, yeah, yeah.

35:49.55

ROSIE

If you're if you're really got some ener energy. So I want to go over this. This is really doing my head and you know and I feel healthy and I feel like things are going good but I just can't get past that. That's where I would definitely start employing songwriting techniques exercises tools looking at.

36:03.62

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

36:06.50

ROSIE

Creating some kind of structured or framework for yourself to flow along with and I run a lot of like 5 day challenges in those kind of really structured spaces where you get 2 things. The first thing you get is a community.

36:20.79

eyvindur

Yeah.

36:21.64

ROSIE

There you just show up and everyone starts talking to each other and it's really wonderful. We see these strangers become friends and the second thing you get is structured and focused time and structured and focused tasks to do and you got a wee tiny bit time pressure. Which means your perfectionism needs to get put on the say that means that you just go write the song because you've only really got an hour to do it and it's fun and it reminds you that this stuff is meant to be fun that you know we're not going to get out of any none of us get out of this alive. So.

36:44.13

eyvindur

Um, yeah, the oh yeah.

36:55.27

ROSIE

Whilst where you are here. It's to to remind yourself that music can be playful and kind of should be and there's a child like there's a childlike fun to it So that was that would be kind of the next place I look is okay, get some structure get some support. You know.

36:59.59

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

37:12.46

ROSIE

Plug yourself into the matrix. You know don't um, don't be alone in that and that space and sometimes that's all it takes if someone go my God I've started writing again after you know and I'm I'm actually thinking about people who literally said this recently after the last five day challenge I'd done was.

37:12.61

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

37:30.65

ROSIE

I mean someone someone said that that they lost a child and they hadn't written anything since that happened and on that challenge it all just came out and I we were all crying on a zimco on the internet and streaming live on Facebook it was beautiful. It was so so beautiful and to say wow.

37:38.56

eyvindur

Yeah.

37:48.59

ROSIE

There's a real power in other people just being part of your journey. So let them end and let them soothe you and you know allow yourself to to be taken along and before you know it the River will be running again. You will be back in that phase of your life but don't cling on to it too much because there might be another time you know where you've got to.

37:58.89

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah I I think ah in my I kind of I don't disagree but I would I frame it a little bit differently because I Yes, there is an ebb and a flow but to me it's not the creativity that's in E of all, you know it is.

38:07.81

ROSIE

To reassess. So yeah.

38:25.55

ROSIE

Just apply your.

38:26.37

eyvindur

It's the energy. It's the ah you know like you said like the priorities you know sometimes you do need to spend more time on other thing other you know you you know like even within the creative process. You know you you you have the the creation and then you know there's. Recording your music and then there's releasing it and that as a whole different you need to be in a whole different mode. Um, but to me creativity is like a mine I Always think of as um as a mine and I go down into the mine and I agree or or is either that or fishing spots.

38:50.60

ROSIE

Nope. 1.

39:00.39

ROSIE

Yeah, location response I like that.

39:02.70

eyvindur

Like that analogy too where it's like um, you know if you if you know where the fish are and if you know how to look for them then you can usually find them and you can usually catch something if you if you're just flailing around blindly and you know you never bother to memorize the spots.

39:12.14

ROSIE

Like just play grouse.

39:21.88

eyvindur

Then it's going to be a lot trickier. So for me because I've done so much work in theater and had you know tight deadlines and all that kind of stuff. Ah, it's kind of not always been an option to just.

39:37.96

ROSIE

So.

39:37.99

eyvindur

Say okay, it's not happening today because sometimes it's just no, it needs it needs to happen now I have 5 hours and so this is not so um, so to me, it's it's kind of like okay so I I need a map of the mine and I need to go down there and I need to dig and and until I find something and I can't stop.

39:54.16

ROSIE

So yeah.

39:56.15

eyvindur

Until it's up so that's kind of what's like for me. But then you know the motivation and the and the energy That's a different story that that can be of course you know a deadline is a great motivator. But ah, you know, but it's it's kind of like you know like I mean I think it's kind of we're saying the same thing but it's it's a little bit you know because you're saying you know.

40:04.67

ROSIE

What's a bit like this.

40:12.75

ROSIE

Who what's happened deadline.

40:16.80

eyvindur

Once you have the deadline then you just get going and you do it and then you know and then I have those systems you know for for doing the mining you know though, that's where that comes in but I'm I'm never afraid to just you know if if I need okay I need a song now you know there was a.

40:17.34

ROSIE

Yeah I have yeah exactly yeah.

40:33.51

eyvindur

A couple weeks ago I was like oh I had a week to you know have a week to come up with a song for this this thing I was doing and so I was like okay I have no ideas so I'm just okay, it's I'm pulling up this system that I have and I'm doing this and I'm setting it in front of me and I'm doing it and you know it takes an hour and then you know yeah I have a pretty good idea and that. that's that's it so I think that's I think that's totally true and that's why I don't believe in writer's block I think Charles Bukowski said that you know you didn't understand writer's block he that if I don't if I don't feel like writing if I don't know what to write about then that's what I'll write about.

40:57.85

ROSIE

That's why translate analysis.

41:08.81

ROSIE

That's where I'll like writer is want this what I'll see another like so.

41:09.96

eyvindur

Like the writers block is what I'll sit down and write about so I love that do you are you familiar with the artist's way by Julia Cameron yeah so that's you know another? That's like a mining thing for me doing morning pages which is by for those who are listening who don't know why that is it's like a process.

41:17.85

ROSIE

Yep yep yep.

41:29.69

eyvindur

Um, the the artist way is like a course in ah in book form and one of the things and like the main pillar of it I guess is every morning you write 3 pages stream of consciousness whatever comes into your head and I don't do it constantly. But i.

41:34.19

ROSIE

Yep.

41:48.33

eyvindur

Do have like periods where I do them every day and then I take time off you know again, it's an ebb and of flow. But I find myself being much more creative when I do it. It's great for the creativity. So that's a great tip for anybody out there who needs a spark of creativity just write 3 pages longhand stream of consciousness every morning and.

41:54.92

ROSIE

Um, absolutely.

42:06.87

ROSIE

It really does it really does and it allows you to get to know yourself and your own voice as well. Um, free writings. Brilliant absolute So one of the most powerful tools I think for creative people as well.

42:07.25

eyvindur

It does boost your creativity.

42:13.40

eyvindur

Yeah.

42:23.50

ROSIE

Just the pain on that page say a timer or don't say a timer and just write and exactly what you said about if you if you don't know what to write about write about the fact I don't know what to write about and eventually something comes I Really love your analogies and I think for me.

42:32.41

eyvindur

Yeah, exactly.

42:41.28

ROSIE

Fisher the fishermen and the mine are um I think for me my K have is I think I try and focus everything on the art of fishing and on the the act of mining as opposed to the fish or the diamond at the end.

42:51.98

eyvindur

Um, yeah, yeah.

42:59.13

ROSIE

And I think for a lot of folk coming into their creative self and and finally taking their music a bit more seriously I think it can be really easy to focus everything on the fish and on that on the diamond and and forget that the skilled fisherman has has spent many many a day and the boat with with nothing at the end.

43:09.40

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

43:17.80

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah, and you know process over product I think is so and you know and and I mean I do a bit of fishing ah and the fish is.

43:18.97

ROSIE

Until the time comes where that's very rare and it rarely is like that. But yeah, the experience.

43:34.12

ROSIE

That says snot the trophy.

43:35.41

eyvindur

Besides the point it's the joy of being in nature and having peace and quiet and not having your phone and well I mean not not staring at your phone anyway and just being there and that's the joy of fishing. Not you know the fish is you know you.

43:50.70

ROSIE

That's.

43:54.95

eyvindur

Probably release it Anyway, it doesn't matter. It's the it's the act of of doing it and and I think that's what I learned in in theater as well because I studied theater directing and one of the things that I was sort of that some actress came to me and said you need you need to you need to focus on the process more than the product and.

43:56.79

ROSIE

M.

44:13.72

eyvindur

And and and that I think is is a great great point that you made you know it's it's it's more about that enjoying it enjoying the journey.

44:17.18

ROSIE

Um, absolutely yeah I agree I totally agree. Yeah, exactly right? and I've just finished a series of workshops today actually all about how you finish your songs and the the kind of.

44:31.95

eyvindur

Here.

44:35.84

ROSIE

The biggest a takeaway I think that people get is oh this workshop's not really about finishing your song. It's about dedicating and committing to the process of finishing your song and saying regardless of what I think or feel about this I'm going to get to the end of it and then I can decide to be judgment. Oh if I want but it's when.

44:49.35

eyvindur

Um, yeah, yeah.

44:55.64

ROSIE

You know you just sit in the boat and you just start to whatever is I don't fish I'm a vegan by the way so it but you just you put your tofu on the end of the reel or whatever you do in like that part. That's I catch soy so towfish That's what it's called Ja Towfish it's.

44:58.82

eyvindur

Chinese sure to catch soyfish. That's what we're That's what yeah yeah tofish to that sounds disgusting.

45:13.95

ROSIE

It's not nice. Yeah, just just eat tofu a a fish flavor tofu is very interesting experience I'm not going to lie. But yes, it's about it like exactly what you're seeing that being in nature being being there being out in the Lake experience in it.

45:16.57

eyvindur

Sure.

45:30.63

eyvindur

Yeah.

45:33.24

ROSIE

and um and ah it's really cheapened now I think because of marketing and social socialism I don't to not mean you say socialism there I may say social media. Its a little freud in slip I'm from Scotland and day. But yeah I think that's it. It's.

45:42.21

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah, oh yay.

45:51.49

ROSIE

It's led us to believe that that part is actually not worth anything. You know That's the cheap part. No what you want to get to is the result you want to get to the end products and that's not true. That's not that's not that's not important Really I mean it is important now I'm not I'm not saying writing goods and great songs isn't important or.

45:53.56

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

46:09.35

ROSIE

Or meeting your deadlines or you know if you if you are a professional musician and professional songwriter like we are you have to produce you have to you have to be able to do what you see you can do but at the same time We also need to remind ourselves. Don't we that that again, it's It's not.

46:15.24

eyvindur

Yeah.

46:26.75

ROSIE

All about that. That's not the only point that it's not always about pleasing the client. It's about being able to see I done something with my time on this planet today and I just feel so much better for it or I know myself moreed or I had an insight. They didn't have before and it's your life's work I see folk who.

46:27.26

eyvindur

No.

46:34.63

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

46:42.34

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

46:45.85

ROSIE

Some people get really hung up on I don't make money from music. So I'm not a real musician and I just actually released a podcast last week about professionalism and how you have paid people money before we all have they have done a really subpar, not professional job and we don't call them professionals and.

47:00.82

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

47:05.52

ROSIE

You can You can act and think and behave and become a professional and very calm is and it doesn't need to be about money. It can be about the experience that you offer yourself I'm going to show up one time.

47:17.23

eyvindur

Yeah.

47:18.94

ROSIE

I gonna be prepared. You know I'm I'm going to make sure I'm warmed up I'm gonna learn those skills. You know, whatever that may be and that's that's a really wonderful thing because it makes you grow faster and and then when you do end up in a space where you've got to act to that deadline you're going to get money and you're absolutely. Crap in your pants about it. You're still going to do it anyway because you've practiced it before and I think that's another really important part of it. All is essentially what I'm saying is take yourself seriously, your music isn't stupid. Your music isn't silly. It's not just a little hobby if you cared about it. You are the only and first person who must take it seriously and with a small s you know, having fun with it too. But um I think that's a really important thing as we owe that.

47:57.46

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and going back to what you said before you know your self-talk kind of creates your reality and so I remember years ago when I first started.

48:12.29

ROSIE

Yep.

48:16.59

eyvindur

Using the word musician when people ask me So What do you do as a well I'm a musician um and and I was even getting paid I wasn't it wasn't a full time thing but I was certainly getting paid to write and perform music. Um, and it was It was a step and I actually a friend of mine was like stop being. You are a musician stop it and and it did create a shift within me and so I think doing that and I'm all about you know those like positive affirmations and things like that you know, um you you kind of create your reality by doing that and not in ah like a. Secret kind of you know, visualize and and it will come True. It's not that it's just ah, the the way you talk to yourself. You know there's a great exercise that I do with my clients which is all about you know visualizing where you want to end up and.

48:55.84

ROSIE

Oh manifestation.

49:13.18

eyvindur

What you want people to say about you at the end and then turning that into first person ah affirmations like this is who I am and it is super powerful and I use this stuff a lot and it really really works and also but.

49:17.33

ROSIE

Um, absolutely.

49:32.30

eyvindur

Going back to what you said about taking it seriously I think a big part of what I see artists and creatives get wrong, Get wrong quote Unquote I mean there's no right or wrong, but a mistake I think a lot of people make is to not treat this As. Ah job if you're treating it like a hobby I mean that's fine. But then that's all it'll ever be and but the minute you start approaching it like okay I'm going to approach this with work ethic and I'm going to show up and do the work.

50:02.27

ROSIE

Show up.

50:08.66

eyvindur

That's when I think you start to to get somewhere you know and you need that that consistency and um and it it makes you you know I always ah people always say you know quality over quantity but to me I write a lot of songs and I write them very fast and to me. Quantity creates quality because the more I write the better I get I find and you know throughout the years I always feel like I'm getting better. You know I look at the songs that I created ten years ago twenty years ago and I I feel like I'm in a much I'm just I'm better now because I've just done it so much and what do you? I mean do you have for instance, a songwriting routine is that something that you know you do like is there is there a ah you know work mode.

51:04.55

ROSIE

Yes, absolutely there really is I need I feel like I've sort of hacked what I need to create and to to feel like I'm Ready E go I mean procrastination's always going to be there I think it's part of the creative's journey too.

51:05.43

eyvindur

That you have.

51:12.23

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

51:24.17

ROSIE

But setting things up setting a structure up having a routine that essentially just makes it easier for me to step into a creation mode. So it's it's like everything is set up for it. Everything's ready. Go and also having those in place.

51:31.20

eyvindur

Yeah.

51:40.32

ROSIE

Those structures and routines in place for when it's not quite flowing right when we when I do get a bit stuck on something but would say okay right I can identify that I don't know let's say it's something to do with the arrangement. Okay I I've got an s 3 with this arrangement's just not quite hidden and right well knowing that there's some other places I can go to.

51:43.77

eyvindur

Yeah.

51:59.99

ROSIE

To just be but get myself out my own head to you know, even if it's something really simple like I'm Goingnna go for a walk I'm going to put it to bed or I'm going to let I'm going to get some feedback on it or I'm going to totally rearrange it as an exercise, not necessarily to finish the song but just as an exercise to see what I can glean.

52:10.23

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

52:18.11

ROSIE

From that little creative space because when we do start employing because it's those 2 2 It's not really 2 parts of the brain. It's 2 functions of the brain isn't it our executive function in line with all the creative stuff when those 2 things are fired and off at the same time. That's when you get the innovation and the idea is like oh.

52:33.13

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

52:36.84

ROSIE

Never thought about you know I don't know whatever doing that baseline that way or whatever it. It's going to be so I do now I Definitely do have a lot because similar to yourself I'm under deadlines.

52:39.31

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

52:50.42

ROSIE

Um, I'm producing for people I want to be able to offer other people. My absolute best work as well. There's nothing worse than puttings something out and going I could have done better than that. That's a horrible experience and I've I've done that before and so I realized a good few years ago. Okay, if I'm going to.

52:55.15

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

53:01.60

eyvindur

Yeah.

53:09.83

ROSIE

Do this? Seriously if I'm if I Really really want to be the best I can and whatever moment I am then I have to set my environmenttamin up I have to have a workflow I can't be a riot I can't be amiss. You know, um and I'm sure we all know folk who.

53:22.18

eyvindur

Right? yeah.

53:28.40

ROSIE

Who are like colleagues and other people in the industry that are just think differently and are a bit more chaotic and that's absolutely fine. However I do want to just as a professional as well and this is very personal. You mean I'm not saying that people need to be like this or not.

53:35.33

eyvindur

Sure.

53:46.24

ROSIE

I Get a lot of value and knowing I'm there I'm ready I'm super prepared I will never I will never show up a hot mess you know and if I think that I might show up a hot mess I'll reschedule. You know it's like that's that's how important that that is to me now and I couldn't do the work I'm doing I mean.

53:52.88

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

54:04.77

ROSIE

You're probably really similar but have so many plates spinning at the same time. So many projects look I just literally tomorrow actually the doors close to my songwriting Academy my first ever online program I've got so many moving parts with that and also working as a producer.

54:07.23

eyvindur

Yeah.

54:17.90

eyvindur

Yeah. Um, yeah.

54:23.71

ROSIE

Working on projects for other people so you really do need to get for me I kind of like I'm a captain of my ship. You know I'm and I'm really strict with my with Mac Crew and mac crew being like my songwriting chops or my musicianship or my communication. So I do know I do know.

54:41.22

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

54:42.93

ROSIE

I spent many years without one my years in London my 5 years I was in my twenty s but in where I just I don't know how I got through the debt didn't sleep all I I just my blood was whisky for 5 years and

54:47.69

eyvindur

Ah, yes, back when you didn't need to sleep.

54:55.77

eyvindur

Yeah, yes, yes.

54:59.73

ROSIE

I played I mean I had an amazing experience there I was I was a piano player full time playing in all these really fancy 5 star hotels like dorches or on Parkley and I played in the house of lords and played in all these really super punch places and. Then't open my mouth because I fought as soon as they know I'm from Glasgow they're going to cho me I out here but that was I mean for me that was excellent for my musicianship for sure I got played with so many good players man like and we were thrown any that there was no prep.

55:25.35

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

55:32.29

ROSIE

You just you were oh hi nice to meet you I'm Rosie okay, 1 2 3 4 lights play again you you know? so but that that was a good experience. However, however, it it ground me right down I was right I was by the time I left London I was pretty ill my depression was really bad and my anxiety was.

55:35.54

eyvindur

Ah, yeah.

55:47.92

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

55:51.96

ROSIE

I mean I spent years after that China affects my adrenal glands I was just totally fatigued and it went on that recovery road and kind of had an ah, an evolution and getting towards your theories it happens. It's just part of.

55:54.77

eyvindur

Deal. Yeah.

56:08.20

ROSIE

Being an artist right? You you got to live life to know what to write about to and I I realized that I remember when I thought right I need to get my shit together basically and and comment this with some kind of structure and I'm so glad I did but it's very much in my personality too I think as well quite organized.

56:10.40

eyvindur

Yeah, yeah.

56:16.61

eyvindur

Oh.

56:27.16

ROSIE

And I like to I Just like to know everything's in order. So so yeah, but I do I do have systems and structures and just reams and reams of um songwriing exercises and and songwriting tasks and just.

56:30.57

eyvindur

Yeah.

56:45.50

ROSIE

Little cool new avenues to take to explore just like you would if you're learning how to sing you would practice your skills you know, but for songwrit and that kind of stuff and for creativity in general. So like the artist's way. For example, that's a great one for anyone who's listening who's not jumped in there.

56:53.80

eyvindur

Yep.

57:00.10

eyvindur

It's awesome I'll put a link to it in the show description because everybody should read that book I you know I every creative person that I know I turn on to that book. It's fantastic. It's really good. Well um, this has been.

57:08.89

ROSIE

Yeah, really really good.

57:16.49

eyvindur

So much fun. Thank you so much for for being here. Ah, before we say Goodbye Tell people where they can find you and your stuff and yeah, all the different places where you hang out.

57:26.40

ROSIE

Absolutely well. Thank you so much for having me as well. It's been fantastic I Really enjoyed chattting Myff you today and it's great to hear other people talking about music and talk about songwri in and a similar way. It's perhaps it's beautiful. So thank you and you can find me.

57:41.40

eyvindur

Um, yeah.

57:45.27

ROSIE

My own music at http://rosiebands.com um, everything Rosie bands that you want in your life. You'll find on that website. Um, and it is suit for work by the way that sounded darier than it was may sound and for all my songwriing stuff if you are a songwriter and you're looking for any support. That's all it. Be radical http://makemusic.com. So that's be radical make music because make music and being creative and this modern twenty first century is a really radical thing. You do your life and so be radical make music come and say hello.

58:17.67

eyvindur

Awesome and there will be links of course to all of those things. Well thanks so much and talk soon. Bye.

58:25.96

ROSIE

Thank you elithar by.